How To Capture PAL 60 with Easycap (Xbox360).

[fenberry]

Ahoy and good day to you all!

After a kind invitation from EZ-Fan, I wanted to compile all the information I've gathered over the last 2 months or so using the Easycap108 that I have, and document all the issues I've been having with recording. I will do my best to keep this fairly straight forward, but there is a bit a of background you may be interested in. If not, please skip to the section below entitled "Easycap 60hz help"

Firstly, I'll explain a little about what I myself am trying (and still trying) to achieve.


~Introduction~

I am a PAL gamer from New Zealand. For any PAL game, the frequency it is broadcasted at is 50Hz. This is a standard across UK, Europe, Australia/NZ and I believe some parts of South America. I own a Gamecube, Wii and PS2 - all PAL consoles. I own (currently) an Easycap 108 DC60. I have an Xp Laptop and a Vista laptop.

I bought an Easycap similar to this:



You can find these almost everywhere in ebay, Amazon.com, and several other major online websites. If you only want to record in 50Hz (for anyone with PAL games...this is fine), then this is the product for you. Cheap, generally free <or very inexpensive> shipping and best of all an abundance of them online.

For everyone else on this forum (or anyone googling this) - this does nothing but make you feel like you've been cheated, as most of us don't own PAL games, or want to record all those superb High Definition games - which this Easycap doesn't help.

Here is a very handy link for those who aren't even sure of which Easycap they currently own (Kudos to EZ-Fan...and I'll be saying that alot)

Also, I have a large amount of Japanese and a few US games, which I use a Freeloader for. A Freeloader (for those that don't know) changes the way a console thinks, tricking it into bypassing the normal region locking which game companies used to do (and still do....Nintendo...I'm looking in your direction).

   This is for my Gamecube... I love using them.

For those in PAL countries who never get a chance to play Japanese/American-only releases, it's like being kicked when you're down. Not only don't PAL gamers get anywhere near the amount of games NTSC US and NTSC Japan regions get, but we get them broadcasted at 50hz - which hurts framerate slightly and overall quality of picture to a degree. Anyway, I Freeload all of the games I've wanted to play for many years, and finally got around to wanting to capture these and put them up on youtube. Easycap108 DC60 in-hand, I tried installing the drivers without success, Ulead 7 never loaded on either Vista or Xp, and all around I was thoroughly upset with my purchase. 

In the past few months, I have been able to piece together a large amount of info about the different formats, what they mean, and how/when they apply in Video capturing. I have come to the conclusion (as if you google 'easycay 60hz' or similar, you should find forum after forum of the same thing), that the Easycap 108 simply cannot deal with the 60hz frequency.

In desperation, I purchased this - an NTSC to PAL converter, thinking that the issue was that the signal (since I use freeloaders) was being mixed up between the PAL console, and the NTSC game being forced to play on it....this was a complete waste of money...

After reading around alot, I have noticed many different capture devices cannot capture in true 60hz - though people find this out AFTER they purchase it (as I have...). This is a problem many have faced, and only a few have ever been able to really get sorted out.


Easycap 60hz help

Introduction out of the way, let's move on.

The main reason why so many people have issues with capturing good footage (and especially being able to capture either black and white only, or only sound) - is due to the Easycap you are using, and the fact that almost all games from Xbox360 titles to PS3 and Wii titles all generally use 60Hz to broadcast their framerates (especially all NTSC games <Japanese and US, I've found>). Though this can be a bit technical, the difference is also due to voltage for electrical appliances (ie. Devices with 50 Hz frequency tend to use 220-240 Volt and devices with 60 Hz tend to use 100-120 Volt). There has never been, and probably never will be any sort of international standard...which isn't very fun.

Anyway, I have had alot of trouble getting my Easycap to record my Japanese/US console games due to this difference between NTSC and PAL.

Here's what I've come up with:

After a heap of reading around, alot of models of capturing devices (from almost ALL Easycap models, to Dazzles and even something like the Adaptec Game Bridge; which even I thought was a complete package) don't support the 60Hz which almost all online games (and anything from NTSC countries via freeloader..as I've been able to ascertain) normally need. That's right. They don't. Plain and simple.

What this means is, that almost everyone who has already bought an Easycap USB capturing device has one which actually can't record 90% of the games they wanted to record in the first place.

However, I would like to set the records straight. All is not lost.

Thanks to alot of effort from EZ-Fan, another great article I've found here: 

...and alot of research, there IS an Easycap product that will allow you to record proper 60hz games.



For recording in 60HZ you just need a DC60+ model of Easycap which supports NTSC 4.33.

That's right, the entire article can be summed up in this one sentence.

As I know alot of you will probably skim through the above, here is a very straight-to-the-point run-down of what you need.

Here is an excellent video detailing what you need to do -

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/dpJ_ps_Rj5k&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/dpJ_ps_Rj5k&rel=0</a>

This video may explain a bit better than I can as to the benefits of NTSC 4.33 - which only a handful of devices (other than expensive DVD recorders) can actually do. I'm hoping and praying that the latest Easycap DC60+ does the job.

I have ordered this product (The Easycap108 DC60+ - which explicitly states it supports the NTSC_4.33), and will update this with my own findings afterwards. This currently is my one and only hope of recording my Japanese games...

If you decided to purchase the above, or are having driver problems with Easycap, (thanks again to EZ-Fan) - I would highly recommend uninstalling ALL Easycap Drivers, then installing the DC60+ update FIRST, before you connect the Easycap...

.....THEN plugging in your Easycap and running the normal install CD - this helped greatly, and turned my strange coloured static image I was getting, into


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/dialZI6qIf8&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/dialZI6qIf8&rel=0</a>

...which has nice quality and good sound. I highly recommend saving your videos as WMV files by using Windows Movie Maker...as I've had incredible issues with Video and Audio sync on youtube as well.

As far as Easycap help goes, that's about all you need. Oh yes, you will need to get atleast 2 or 3 RCA 1 female to 2 female Y-splitters



and another RCA cable



If you want youtube-uploading help...read on


Youtube uploading help

Use Windows Movie Maker, if possible, to save your work as a WMV file. That's the best advice I can give

You'll go from possible issues like Audio/Video out-of-sync:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/pOzblKK71a4&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/pOzblKK71a4&rel=0</a>

To nicely high quality and in-sync videos like:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/zmrgXQ7eZMM&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/zmrgXQ7eZMM&rel=0</a>

and

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/yfhfh22el0U&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/yfhfh22el0U&rel=0</a>

Another tip is to try and leave the videos in the purest form you can, instead of trimming/re-encoding if possible, as this will eventually degrade the visuals...

There are numerous articles around, but the best by far I've seen are the ones below...

http://blogs.chron.com/makingmovies/archives/2006/04/youtube_and_the.html

http://ask.metafilter.com/60799/Why-do-so-many-videos-on-YouTube-have-horribly-unsynchronized-video-audio

http://www.squidoo.com/youtuberight

Hope this helps!


More Technical Stuff (For those interested)

Just for those who want to know a little bit more, I've included this section, so that those who want quick answers don't have to trawl through a gigantic post to get a few bits of information. It can get a bit technical, please bear with me.

The main problem is, that most Easycap's are DC60 - what this means that it can receive a number of different signals; NTSC_M, NTSC_M_J, PAL_B, PAL_D, PAL_G, PAL_H, PAL_I, PAL_M, PAL_N, and SECAM_L.

These work for anyone using a PAL game, or for those who've tried to get around the issue of Easycap not working on an Xbox306 by changing the display settings to 50Hz. But generally, it doesn't quite cut it. The issues with PAL vs NTSC aside for a moment, alot of the time the driver's don't install properly, or need to be reinstalled constantly or any number of issues.

I've tested this (focusing on my Wii at the moment - which really is my primary concern) changing over to 50HZ from the Wii menu seems to work flawlessly for my Easycap108 (the Wii menu when you first turn the console on does anyway) with good sound and proper colour - until I try and load an NTSC game.

After this (and also after trying my NTSC--PAL booster....this DOES NOT WORK. Please do not waste your money, as I have... ), regardless of trying the NTSC versions on Windows Movie Maker (NTSC_M and NTSC_M_J), and every version of PAL_B through to N, the only thing I get is just a static image which refreshes roughly every 60 seconds or so - though sound comes in nicely. I was tearing my hair out, trying to get this to work. Though not my own capture, here is what it looked like

PAL_I:

NTSC_M:

For the records, I'll splash some numbers up, for those interested:

True USA-style NTSC is 60 Hz,
line frequency = 30 (full) Frames/second x 525 lines = 15750 Hz.
Colour subcarrier = 3.58 Mhz

True PAL is 50 Hz,
Line Freq= 25 (fps) x 625 lines = 15625 Hz.
Colour Fsc = 4.33 MHz.

The issue is that there is a special frequency which plays at 60Hz called NTSC 4.33 (also sometimes known as PAL60Hz, NTSC@50Hz or even PAL 3.58. Effectively this is a clever bit of technology trickery to get around the NTSC -> PAL conversion, and alot of consoles (Xbox360 in particular, but the PS3 and Wii - and all Japanese games...) tend to be usable with at least one of these hybrids.

For general interest, some details about the differences can be found here:


~Moral of the Story~

Though this is still not fully tested (I will be getting my Easycap108 DC60+ soon enough...maybe a few more days... You will need to buy something like this.

...download the DC60+ drivers.

...install the supplied drivers for the Easycap.

Make sure you record it in NTSC_4.33 or PAL 3.58

And you *should* (emphasis on should) be able to record with high quality, good colour and good sound without too much hassle

*Phew*

What a long post. I'm sorry for dragging it out so much, however breaking it into sections seemed like a logical idea. Plus, as you can see, there is a ton of information to look into, think over, and trawl through on the internet. Hopefully, this should set most of you right. Feel free to ask any questions, and I'm sure either myself, or EZ-Fan, can sort you out.

Happy Gaming!

[touchmypsp]

Hi. What a great post. It's the best thing I've read online about this. Thanks.
I have a question though:

Will I have problems using an Australian Pal PS2 with the DC60?
I play PAL and NTSC games from the US/Japan/Aus/Europe, ie all over the world.

It looks like all the probs are with Xboxes.
It would be great to buy the cheaper DC60 rather than fork out twice as much for the DC60+
(I don't actually want to capture anything, just play my PS2 on my LCD screen through my laptop.)

Thanks a lot.
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Mac Brainiac
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[fenberry]

Hi there!

I'm glad you liked it. I put alot of effort into it, but thank you very much for your positive feedback.

So you're looking to try and use your Australian PS2 and play PAL and NTSC region games - but not to record, only streaming them on your PC?

I understand where you're coming from, as this was also something I investigated myself. To answer your first question, for the DC60 you'll be able to play (and therefore actually see) and record (if you want) any PAL 50Hz game. The DC60 is perfect for capturing data from this frequency (50Hz) - so any of your Pal (Europe/Australia/NZ) region games should work perfectly (as long the drivers install properly - please see my above post for the updated drivers which should help you if the drivers have problems installing, regardless of the DC60 or DC60+ version).

The issue is NTSC. Anything from Japan or the US (and as I myself own a PS2, and a large number of US and Japanese PS2 games, I share the same boat with you) - this is where the DC60 falls flat on it's face. You can technically record/play any NTSC game using the DC60 - provided you don't mind it being in black and white.

Unfortunately, only the DC60+ (which I know is rare, and a fairly expensive item) can display/record full colour NTSC games on your computer. The main problem is that there is a crucial setting (the NTSC 4.33; which in my long post above I think mentioned more than anything else.... ) which only the DC60+ has. The ability to play/record what is called PAL60Hz (often known as PAL 3.58, or NTSC 4.33) is the key in making sure your Easycap you may eventually buy isn't just usable for PAL games.

Though one of the biggest groups who ask questions regarding the Easycap (and alot of USB capturing devices overall) are Xbox/Xbox360 players wanting to capture video footage to be able to post on leaderboards, youtube, etc, this issue affects everyone. I don't currently and have never owned an Xbox, and I can absolutely verify this issue of DC60+ and the PAL60Hz which everyone is trying to find information about, covers everything: from VHS recording, to Wii, PS2, PS3 and any number of other electronic devices which have different broadcasting frequencies (this includes camcorders as well, from what I heard).

Apologies for the above explanation, however, if you are really set on using something like an Easycap, I've found out the hard way that it pays to do some research, as every single game I want to record myself and post on youtube is an NTSC US or NTSC J region game...which suffers from the PAL60Hz/NTSC 4.33 issue. It's not that the Easycap I bought was faulty (though I have some doubts about Ulead...which has never worked for me...), but that I bought it for a purpose it cannot perform. I also wish there were more people like yourself willing to investigate first before buying an Easycap, a Dazzle or any other type of USB capturing device.

Bringing this over to your next point, about just wanting to play (not record) your PS2 on your LCD screen (which isn't a bad idea at all). There a tiny amount of lag between what your controller/console recognize, and what your computer (via Easycap) will be able to produce, nothing noticeable, but it's there. This gets fairly unplayable if your recording, however with a reasonable processor (and I mean about 1.5GHz minimum to get a good framerate), playing via your LCD screen is very possible. Windows movie maker has a terribly small screen. I would suggest looking (once you've got your Easycap) at AMCap http://amcap.en.softonic.com/ as this streams on a full screen.

To reiterate though, if you want to play any NTSC game (Japan or US) in colour, you will need an Easycap DC60+ (or similar usb device which deals with NTSC 4.33, PAL60hz or the like). You will display only in black and white with the cheaper DC60 version. Just a word of warning.

Out of interest, something you may be interested in (though this also does not solve the issue of NTSC in colour) - is the Adaptec Gamebridge -

www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3535



www.amazon.co.uk/Adaptec-2179900-GameBridge-AVC-1400/dp/B000DLBAFU

This device may be a little more suited to full scale streaming 1:1 from console -> LCD screen, though it does a very similar job to the Easycap, and again, doesn't have any functions (that I have found) for overcoming the issue we're all here for...playing/recording in 60hz.

Hope this helps!

Please feel free to ask any questions, and I'll be my best to answer them.

Kindest Regards,
Fenberry

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Edit:  I have currently found a seller who often sells Easycap DC60+'s - a bit cheaper than amazon, and he seems to send this out via courier -

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/jarmot2007

If anyone is interested, please check him out.

[touchmypsp]

G'day Fenberry (coming from an Aussie in London),

Wow, that's another succinct and comprehensive post. It's really easy to read (go paragraphs) and well written. It's all clear now. I definitely will go for the DC60+. Your one thread answers what I searched the internet for all day, trying to work it all out.

As an aside, I'm going to try eBay. I asked one seller if what they sold was the DC60 or DC60+ and they told me the DC60+, even though their item description didn't match. It's so hard to tell with many sellers because they just copy and paste the text and may not even understand much English. But I've asked them to confirm again and I'll take a punt. If only they had called it 'Son of EasyCap' or something. 
Thanks again.
PS My marquee smiley is over the top.

[fenberry]

Just a quick message to say I've finally got my EasycapDC60+ in the mail this morning!

I'll be able to tell you about it very soon!

Yay!!

Fenberry!

[Yipykayay]

Hi Fenberry,

Just joined the forum to thank you for this thread.
It's without doubt the most helpful resource on the net for this device

Can hardly wait to hear how you get on with the DC60+

[wozza]

Thankyou I found this guide very useful, and I can confirm the DC60+ works a treat for 360-PS3  60hz capture..

[fenberry]

Hi Fenberry,

Just joined the forum to thank you for this thread.
It's without doubt the most helpful resource on the net for this device

Can hardly wait to hear how you get on with the DC60+

Thank you very very much, Yipykayay.

I found that there was precious little information on the internet regarding proper How-To's and instructions (which are sorely lacking) from almost all the Easycap devices. In addition, I had a very unique problem (having issues with PAL consoles and NTSC games Freeloaded onto them) - however I have really learnt a lot through trawling through forums, checking many information websites such as videohelp.com and of course my own trial and error (which is the most reliable source after all). Also, I found that my own personal woe's with capturing (spurred on by my intense interest to capture some upcoming Japanese and American Wii games) were part of a bigger and broader spectrum of issues regarding capturing in 60Hz across the board of consoles, regions and Easycap versions....

The main issue was that there is scant information, and what is available is so far spread, buried and often broken that it was quite a thing to get it together.

Yipykayay, I have a link (in the post above) to the merchant who seems to sell these on ebay if you're at all interested. It took me by surprise as to how many messages I've received about this post, and most of all that you've registered just to say thank you. I am very grateful to you and to everyone else who comments, since it means that my hard work isn't just benefiting me.

Thank you both (and anyone else who reads this) for your comments. I'm glad it's working for you Wozza. I would love to say the same for myself, however some issues with blackouts last night have caused a delay in my Capturing device testing - I'll be able to fully flesh this out and test it thoroughly later on tonight after I leave from work.

Excellent to hear that the DC60+ works for you. I'll be able to confirm the same thing, hopefully in a few hours, along with some nice footage to back it up!

If anyone else has questions, I will gladly answer them to best of my ability

Thank you once again.

Kindest Regards,
Fenberry

[ffxx68]

Hi,

thanks for the further confirmation that... I bought something useless to me 

I live in Italy (where PAL@50Hz is the TV standard) but I have several NTSC VHS tapes from the US which I wanted to digitize to DVDs. Since my VHS player is tagged with a nice "NTSC Playback" label and I never had any issue watching them on my TV, I would have never imagined that grabbing them would have this Black/White issue. I have an EasyCAP which is seen as a "Syntek Stk1150" device by the PC and the only available settings for NTSC are NTSC_M or NTSC_M_J. No NTSC_433 to select... I also tried by forcing it to use the drivers of the DC60+ (actually an "Empia 2860" device) but of course I wasn't able to make the grabber work at all in this case.

What I was wondering (I won't rest in peace until I find an answer - yes I know it's only 19Euro, but I'm quite stubborn) is why these two devices (Syntek and Empia I mean) allow different settings, if they make use of the same core analog-to-digital component, which is an NXP -former Philips- chip (http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/SAA7113H_2.pdf). Briefly reviewing that datasheet, I noticed that the chip itself is able to process NTSC 4.43 (see pages 2 and 44, for example). Indeed only the USB interface is different among the DC60 (i.e. Syntek) and DC60+ (i.e. Empia), hence I was wondering (dreaming?) if a chip firmware upgrade, or another workaround, would make the Syntek "stimulate" the NXP to use the NTSC 4.33 standard.

I also asked support, but they only confirmed that "Your device is our oldest device, it's use Syntek 1150 chipset, and we use Empia 2860 chipset now".

[Kupuntu]

For me the Easycap 108 DC60 clearly says Syntek1160, but there's still no NTSC4.33. I think the problem here is, that even though both devices support NTSC4.33 (or so says the datasheet), older driver doesn't support it. And because DC60+ uses different type of interface for USB, the drivers aren't compatible. That means, if someone makes driver for DC60 that supports NTSC4.33, it'll work. I've seen linux driver development for this, so it could solve the problem.

[fenberry]

Ahoy all.

An excellent day, Friday the 13th just past, and Valentines day straight after... Easycap108 DC60+ captures beautifully in 60Hz. Sound...colour - I am very very happy now.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/R22GTsyzJSw&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/R22GTsyzJSw&rel=0</a>


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8nDiW5AAMuU&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/8nDiW5AAMuU&rel=0</a>


I just wanted to share with you the final triumph after a long and arduous 2-3 months.

Firstly, I now have the Easycap108 DC60+ in my hands. I had a play around with it - attempting different settings, and it's all knocked itself into place.



I would highly recommend NOT installing any of the drivers which come with the CD. The very best advise (given by EZ-Fan, no less) about this, which I would like to ensure everyone knows about is such...

Please try to install the DC60+ updated drivers from http://www.szforwardvideo.com/support/Supp_2_2.html  - With these installed, I was able to record in Windows Movie Maker (I'll have to have a play around with AMCap, to see if this will work properly myself)

Contrary to what I actually believed, am able to use PAL_B to be able to record properly. I have tested, (and am uploading a copy of the type with bad sound) and this produces very poor quality sound - Even so, after playing around with settings, I have finally been able to get the desired effect - So I'm imagining the proper drivers/software for the DC60+ truly are the only option for capturing in 60Hz which I have found.

Hope this all helps. I'll update this with more Video's.

Fenberry

[Yipykayay]

Still Friday 13th here in freezing Scotland.

Thanks Fenberry for your update. I can now buy this updated device knowing that I won't be throwing away more hard earned cash. I have some funds in my Paypal account so I'll buy from the Ebay seller you have linked to.

Thanks again for your help.

[fenberry]

Still Friday 13th here in freezing Scotland.

Thanks Fenberry for your update. I can now buy this updated device knowing that I won't be throwing away more hard earned cash. I have some funds in my Paypal account so I'll buy from the Ebay seller you have linked to.

Thanks again for your help.

Good morning!

Excellent to hear it. I really am feeling on top of the world. When it works, it works wonderfully. Also, if you are keen to buy this, Yipykayay, please note you'll need at least 2 of the Y-splitters mentioned above -

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/53000434/Images/1/2-RY-3F__1.jpg

And also one RCA cable so you can see what is happening on your TV

https://www.addison-electronique.com/catalog/images/produits/section-k/102073.jpg

...Just to make sure you know. You can just plug your Game console directly into the Easycap (as the RCA sockets on this are all female), however when recording there is considerable lag while it records (though playing the game via AMCap or similar video capturing tool and just streaming the image is clear and works flawlessly).

Hope this helps, and I'm very glad. Scotland...  Well, we are from all places, aren't we?

Have a great day,
Fenberry

[azz22a]

Thanks Fanberry great amount of info. Im in australia and use pal60. i have the easycap that comes up as Syntek1160. i'm able to an image and sound but its in black and white while using NSTL_M_J but when i change it to pal i get a quick flash of colour on the screen and then nothing. I have no option to use NSTL _433. so what i can understand is if i use those new drivers that you have given us the link for i should be able to get to use NSTL_433?

Im new to this so sorry if i'm repeating questions or just mist the answer.

once again great post. I mainly want to record some halo 3 action which is in pal-60

also i can get tv to work on it thorugh the video out under pal - b or something like that its just when i want to use it for the xbox 360

Thanks
AZZZ22A (this is my GT for live aswell)


update i have tried to install those drivers for the DC60+ but there are still the same options as before. i even tried sing the TV out but i still get the same result. i check the cd which is the yellow one and it says on MODEL:- DC60 so those drivers should of work to some degree

[fenberry]

Thanks azz22a.

I haven't posted in a while, but I've been doing alot of recording everyday now, so I'm quite familiar with the interface and workings of the DC60+...

Hmmm...Glad to see another from the Oceanic region...

Getting sound, but only black and white means that the Easycap you have unfortunately isn't a DC60+, it's the DC60 which I also still have. The issue is that anything which needs PAL60 (and I don't mind that you've asked a question...there's no such thing as a stupid question  ) needs to have a USB capture device capable of carrying the full signal. It's the same thing I had with my old TV which didn't support 60Hz...all I got on Super Smash Brothers Brawl when I imported it was a black and white screen... I almost cried.

I would highly suggest checking with the person you bought it from, as unfortunately it seems like this is just the DC60 version, which sadly can't capture in 60Hz at all.

Might I suggest this seller...

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/jarmot2007

...who sells DC60+...this is where I bought it from.

If you went through and installed the updated drivers, then all you would ever get is black and white with fairly good sound. The model itself is different, and the way you would be able to tell would likely be that the NTSC4.33 setting is missing.

I still record my videos on PAL_B, however the Easycap you have seems likely to not be one you want, if 60Hz recording is what your looking for.

I do hope this helps, and I'm sorry for the bad news!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/z98X14YB958&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/z98X14YB958&rel=0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/eSXTFa7I_YA&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/eSXTFa7I_YA&rel=0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/SpY8T69uC4w&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/SpY8T69uC4w&rel=0</a>

Fenberry